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Post by martycanuck on Sept 23, 2020 17:04:57 GMT -5
I agree with Malcolm's sentiment there seems to be no rhyme or reason for some of the rules here in Pennsylvania. Governor Wolf implemented 25% capacity at restaurants which has destroyed a lot of businesses. He was sued in court over some of his rules by various counites in PA and they have won. A federal judge has ruled that Wolf's rules for restaurants and sporting events is unconstitutional. He asked for a stay so he can appeal but that was denied. There have been a few restaurants that have ignored the 25% rule and have had more than 25% but each table has been six feet away from other tables. The thing that irks me, and others, is when asked how did you come up with your rules an answer isn't provided. Meanwhile, he allowed a 5-day car show to go on in Harrisburg (state capital where he lives) because they had a confidential agreement. The estimate was that there were tens of thousands of people there over the the 5 days. Butler county near me has a farm show that is their big money maker for the county and Wolf mandated that the farm show must be cancelled but the car show in his town could go on. They make it up as they go... Maybe if they had some experience trying to deal with a pandemic and save lives they’d have a better idea of what to do. Maybe if there had been a “Pandemic Playbook” that they could follow.... Oh wait, Obama’s administration created one. Trump’s admin did what they did and threw it out because Obama did it so it was obviously crap.
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Post by mank on Sept 23, 2020 19:05:19 GMT -5
Marty,
The playbook from Obama has nothing to do with what the governor of my state is doing. Once again you take a discussion about my state and governor and somehow it is Trump's fault.
I get it Marty everything is Trump's fault. The sun set earlier tonight probably Trump's fault, a bird pooped on my car today - Trump's fault, and so on and so forth, it is all Trump's fault. Best part is you will get to complain about him for four more years soon.
Seriously though, the governor of my state isn't following any playbook. As I said, he is making it up as he goes and the federal court agrees.
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 23, 2020 20:05:30 GMT -5
Marty, The playbook from Obama has nothing to do with what the governor of my state is doing. Once again you take a discussion about my state and governor and somehow it is Trump's fault. I get it Marty everything is Trump's fault. The sun set earlier tonight probably Trump's fault, a bird pooped on my car today - Trump's fault, and so on and so forth, it is all Trump's fault. Best part is you will get to complain about him for four more years soon. Seriously though, the governor of my state isn't following any playbook. As I said, he is making it up as he goes and the federal court agrees. What you complain about is indeed Trump’s fault! He was given a pre-planned National Strategy for dealing with a pandemic. He ignored it. He kinda just left it all up to the Governors as a political play to diffuse blame from himself when facing election. Totally selfish. That’s why you can’t figure out what they are doing because no one is following a formulated plan! By the way....there was a plan but he threw it out because it was Obama’s. Weird how at times Trump blamed Obama for problems in the outbreak?
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Post by mank on Sept 24, 2020 6:13:14 GMT -5
Marty,
Talking to you is like talking to the wall. Governor Wolf's plan has nothing to do with Obama or Trump. How many times do I have to say that. Not sure why I waste my time or even posted about how my state has done a terrible job of creating rules that have killed small businesses in PA.
In our country the states can do what they want. I am discussing what Wolf did in PA.
I still say you should defect to the USA and seek asylum and then you can vote against Trump. But, he will win again.
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Post by MalcolmR on Sept 24, 2020 6:27:59 GMT -5
Damn, I've run out of popcorn. Will you guys just hold on for a few minutes whilst I get some more? I don't want to miss a minute of this.
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Post by frodi on Sept 24, 2020 11:45:15 GMT -5
Damn, I've run out of popcorn. Will you guys just hold on for a few minutes whilst I get some more? I don't want to miss a minute of this. Get a bucket for me while you're at it. And a large coke as well please.
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Post by MalcolmR on Sept 24, 2020 12:00:38 GMT -5
Damn, I've run out of popcorn. Will you guys just hold on for a few minutes whilst I get some more? I don't want to miss a minute of this. Get a bucket for me while you're at it. And a large coke as well please. I would have thought that you would be the one able to supply coke. I'll get you a Coke.
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Post by mank on Sept 24, 2020 15:52:50 GMT -5
On another note...
In Pennsylvania this week restaurants are allowed to go to 50% capacity. I am curious to see if there is a spike in a few weeks of new cases. As I might have mentioned before some restaurants defied Governor Wolf and ignored his 25% capacity rule. So far the restaurants have won in court. It is sad but one of the restaurants near me that has been open since 1954, even before I was born, probably will close. The 25% rule killed their business.
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Post by Stan on Sept 24, 2020 16:23:15 GMT -5
A lot of the problem is the lack of a coherent national response. That's on Trump and his administration. It's unfortunate that Pennsylvania has done poorly; but it's not like there are national guidelines to follow.
In Colorado, we had orders in place for an adequate number of ventilators. The Trump administration intervened and rerouted them to the fed, while decrying our governor for his lack of foresight. How does that work?
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 24, 2020 19:12:17 GMT -5
A lot of the problem is the lack of a coherent national response. That's on Trump and his administration. It's unfortunate that Pennsylvania has done poorly; but it's not like there are national guidelines to follow. In Colorado, we had orders in place for an adequate number of ventilators. The Trump administration intervened and rerouted them to the fed, while decrying our governor for his lack of foresight. How does that work? mank, this is what I am talking about. You are complaining about your State. But every State (every country for that matter) is affected and you are getting NO national leadership on what is a nationwide problem! Trump hangs all the Governors out to dry so that he can avoid being blamed for the response. Apparently that strategy works in PA.
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Post by Ben on Sept 24, 2020 23:45:56 GMT -5
A lot of the problem is the lack of a coherent national response. That's on Trump and his administration. It's unfortunate that Pennsylvania has done poorly; but it's not like there are national guidelines to follow. In Colorado, we had orders in place for an adequate number of ventilators. The Trump administration intervened and rerouted them to the fed, while decrying our governor for his lack of foresight. How does that work? mank , this is what I am talking about. You are complaining about your State. But every State (every country for that matter) is affected and you are getting NO national leadership on what is a nationwide problem! Trump hangs all the Governors out to dry so that he can avoid being blamed for the response. Apparently that strategy works in PA. Please read the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution (the final Right in the Bill of Rights). This is why the Governors should be addressing the COVID response in their own states. The Federal government has been vastly overstepping their authority for years, since at least the time of Wilson, and Trump is completely right to leave this response mainly to the Governors. That's where it belongs. Just think - if we operated the country in accordance with the Constitution, everyone could be happy. You want to live like a liberal? Move to a liberal state and enjoy the wasteland. Prefer conservative principles? Move to a conservative state. It wouldn't be nearly as big a deal who's the president, since their power is highly limited - they can only do what the Constitution allows. It wouldn't be a big deal who's on the Supreme Court - they just read the Constitution and go by what it says. The US would be far less divided. Of course... it also means liberals wouldn't be able to force their agenda on everyone else, so there's no way they'd ever go for it.
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Post by Jim on Sept 25, 2020 7:46:49 GMT -5
Holy shit. I actually agree with Ben. It only took 20 years.
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 25, 2020 16:12:37 GMT -5
mank , this is what I am talking about. You are complaining about your State. But every State (every country for that matter) is affected and you are getting NO national leadership on what is a nationwide problem! Trump hangs all the Governors out to dry so that he can avoid being blamed for the response. Apparently that strategy works in PA. Please read the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution (the final Right in the Bill of Rights). This is why the Governors should be addressing the COVID response in their own states. The Federal government has been vastly overstepping their authority for years, since at least the time of Wilson, and Trump is completely right to leave this response mainly to the Governors. That's where it belongs. Just think - if we operated the country in accordance with the Constitution, everyone could be happy. You want to live like a liberal? Move to a liberal state and enjoy the wasteland. Prefer conservative principles? Move to a conservative state. It wouldn't be nearly as big a deal who's the president, since their power is highly limited - they can only do what the Constitution allows. It wouldn't be a big deal who's on the Supreme Court - they just read the Constitution and go by what it says. The US would be far less divided. Of course... it also means liberals wouldn't be able to force their agenda on everyone else, so there's no way they'd ever go for it. Well maybe if Trump weren’t so focused on his re-election he might let the people who know what they are doing handle the situation? Instead he contradicts them (Fauci, Birx, CDC, FDA) and confuses people and makes the jobs of the individual states that much harder to do. Then there is Ron DeSantis in FL opening up bars and restaurants fully at a time that his state has the most active cases of any state in the US. Smart!
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Post by graham on Sept 29, 2020 13:03:03 GMT -5
I missed all the above because I've been off on holiday, socially distanced surfing in Devon, but here's a little tid-bit that will help you understand the UK Government's position on COVID-19... Grouse Shooting And Hunting Exempt From Johnson's 'Rule Of Six' Covid CurbsYep, everyone has to stick to the "Rule of 6" apart from (as was decided unilaterally after a special meeting to discuss it was cancelled) people who want to go Grouse Shooting. Now, which political party, we wonder, would people who go Grouse Shooting support and donate to...?
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Post by MalcolmR on Sept 29, 2020 15:31:48 GMT -5
Because when grouse shooting and hunting you are usually more than 2m apart, and outdoors.
Indoor grouse shooting gets a bit loud.
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Post by Rob on Sept 29, 2020 23:22:58 GMT -5
Grouse hunting sounds like a good time.
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Post by graham on Sept 30, 2020 3:28:44 GMT -5
Because when grouse shooting and hunting you are usually more than 2m apart, and outdoors. And then you all gather in a big group and chat and have drinks and don't wear masks, because they're just for the plebs...
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Post by graham on Sept 30, 2020 3:29:16 GMT -5
Grouse hunting sounds like a good time. Not for the grouse...
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Post by Jim on Sept 30, 2020 11:29:18 GMT -5
Huh. Went for an interview today and I was told my mask wasn't sufficient enough to be allowed in the building. That's a first.
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Post by graham on Sept 30, 2020 12:52:25 GMT -5
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Post by mank on Oct 1, 2020 9:45:47 GMT -5
Huh. Went for an interview today and I was told my mask wasn't sufficient enough to be allowed in the building. That's a first. Jim, Was your mask one of those gaiters? I know most places, such as my work place, have deemed gaiters unacceptable since they generally don't have two layers of material. The same goes for people trying to wear bandanas as masks.
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Post by Jim on Oct 1, 2020 10:16:17 GMT -5
Yes, it was. first I've heard of them being an issue.
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Post by Rob on Oct 2, 2020 6:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by Jeannette on Oct 2, 2020 7:13:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry but that's frickin' funny.
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Post by Stan on Oct 2, 2020 8:55:48 GMT -5
While I wouldn't wish coronavirus on anyone, you gotta admit there's a bit of karma here.
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Post by Rob on Oct 2, 2020 10:44:03 GMT -5
I have no sympathy for Trump.
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Post by martycanuck on Oct 2, 2020 11:57:57 GMT -5
It may turn out to be a fake or even a false positive yet. I have no faith that this White House would tell the truth on anything.
But if it is this could rip right through the White House and admin. Remember most masks are to reduce the chance of YOU spreading it. Not the chance of you getting it from someone who is not wearing a mask. Anyone who’s been in close contact with Don, Melania, Hope and now Ronna are at a much higher risk of contracting this.
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Post by kellylorraine on Oct 2, 2020 12:27:12 GMT -5
It may turn out to be a fake or even a false positive yet. I have no faith that this White House would tell the truth on anything. False positives are pretty unlikely in any testing like this (not specific to COVID - applies to any micro type testing). There has to be SOMETHING there to trigger the test.
A false negative is much more likely - either not enough of the organism to trigger the test or no organisms in the specific sample even though there is the organism in the host.
I have little doubt that both Trump and Biden were tested the day of the debate. Given that Trump tested positive 3 days later, and the incubation time needed for this specific virus to show a positive, he most certainly had the virus in him during the debate, just not enough to register on the test.
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Post by Rob on Oct 2, 2020 12:36:42 GMT -5
I have no faith that this White House would tell the truth on anything. Well, here's one theory.
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Post by martycanuck on Oct 2, 2020 15:57:30 GMT -5
I have no faith that this White House would tell the truth on anything. Well, here's one theory. I just read (posted by a Doc on another forum I frequent) that he is not taking hydroxychloroquine now but he is taking Regeneron polyclonal antibody cocktail. Not approved for Covid and also not available to the public. It is still at the trial level. From an article on the therapy..... Dr. Richard Besser, a former acting CDC director who now heads the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, said it makes sense that a treatment that gives a patient antibodies would help the immune system, but he said peer review will find any holes or pitfalls. "I would withhold judgment on this until we see the data," said Besser. "You know these early results that keep coming out from companies in press releases strike me as being about much more, much more about the stock price than they are about science."
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