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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2020 13:18:59 GMT -5
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Post by kellylorraine on Mar 24, 2020 14:24:23 GMT -5
The US is far too big for a one-size-fits-all approach. Even a state like NY is too big - we have everything cancelled, but there are only 10 diagnosed cases in my entire county. Your county only has 10 cases (12 from what I heard just a few minutes ago if you're in Niagara County) because NY cancelled everything, little by little*. In my county (also in NY) we got our first two positive cases last Monday (3/16). Even with everything getting cancelled, as of yesterday (one week later) we were at 53 positive cases (they'll release today's numbers shortly). We just announced our first death while I was typing this...
Erie County has 114 and honestly, I thought you lived in that county, which means it probably neighbors yours. Since you're not in Erie, I suspect you're in Niagara County as I said above. From Dan Stapelton, the Niagara County Public Health Director: “The numbers across all of Western New York continue to increase and as I have said, if we had the supplies to do testing at the rate we would like, I am certain the number of positives would be higher”.
While I'd love for things to be back to normal by Easter like Trump is calling for, it is not wise at this time. Hong Kong thought they had it under control, started to loosen restrictions, and saw another spike in rates.
I agree a one-size-fits-all approach doesn't work for this. Hell, it doesn't work for ANYTHING. That doesn't mean that not taking preventative actions shouldn't happen. It's a paradox, if the measures we are now taking work, it will always seem like an overreaction. But if we wait until the problem is big enough to warrant taking those same actions (thus making it seem like it's just a normal reaction), we'll be too late...
*NY had to cancel everything because some people just were not getting the whole "stay home if you absolutely don't have to be out" concept... I don't get why it took NY so long to close beauty salons/barber shops/hairdressers. I don't know a single person that can do those services from six feet away...
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Post by Stan on Mar 24, 2020 14:28:50 GMT -5
From Politifact, not conservatives favorite site; but it's hard to argue with a timeline. It's prettier on the Politifact site.My criticisms of Trump: a: He squandered about 2 weeks after the border closing. South Korea did not and the numbers reflect that. b: He keeps contradicting (his own) medical experts. Just STFU and let the experts talk, some people actually believe him. c: His administration refused to use the accepted WHO tests and instead developed their own (losing more time). d: It remains to be seen; but most iterations of the economic stimulus package favor business, rather than individuals.
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2020 14:39:11 GMT -5
Beer distributors are still open here so all is good. In Pennsylvania most supermarkets don't sell beer. We have beer distributors. The thing is though liquor stores are closed. Our liquor stores are run by the state. My Scotch supply is dwindling.
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2020 14:45:25 GMT -5
I think Obama was pretty slow to react too when the H1N1 was going around.
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Post by Stan on Mar 24, 2020 14:53:44 GMT -5
Beer distributors are still open here so all is good. In Pennsylvania most supermarkets don't sell beer. We have beer distributors. The thing is though liquor stores are closed. Our liquor stores are run by the state. My Scotch supply is dwindling. Liquor stores and dispensaries where deemed essential here* and are open for curbside pickup. Call in your order, give em a credit card, and a time. They will bring out your order, place it in your trunk, and hand you a receipt. *Actually, they announced that both would be closed and had lines and mobs at both. They modified the closure order before it went in place
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Post by Stan on Mar 24, 2020 14:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by Gimpy on Mar 24, 2020 15:05:07 GMT -5
I think Obama was pretty slow to react too when the H1N1 was going around. What does that have to do with today's problem??
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 24, 2020 15:55:47 GMT -5
I think Obama was pretty slow to react too when the H1N1 was going around. What does that have to do with today's problem?? Obama was a Democrat? I think that’s really his point. H1N1, Bird Flu, SARS, etc. How did the US make out under those? Faced with millions of deaths? How many actually died? I’m not blaming Trump for the disease but I will blame him for making it sound like it was no big deal to Americans. Where I live in Canada 80% of the cases are traced back to recent travel to the US so it is pretty rampant out there and you just don’t realize how bad it really is yet.
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Post by Jim on Mar 24, 2020 16:37:58 GMT -5
More over reaction bullshit.
Co-workers elderly parents tested positive... For the flu. My department was sent home for the week. We really can't do our job remotely because our tools suck and our network is a pile of bullshit. Those parents were tested for the virus, won't get their results until Friday.
Boss just called, client's HR wants us to get tested. I told him no. I'm not wasting resources. If the old folks test positive, let their son get tested. If he has it, then I'll get it done. No, I won't. By the time that happens, the 2 week quarantine will be over.
Meanwhile, I just spent 4 days at home and damned near lost my mind. As much as I dislike people as a species, info need to be around them.
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Post by MalcolmR on Mar 24, 2020 16:40:27 GMT -5
I find it quite strange that you Americans and Canadians are making this Cornavirus a political battleground.
There is NONE of that over here. There is no "It's all Boris' fault / Labour would have prevented it".
At least you aren't arguing about guns and immigrants any more. (And we have stopped talking about Brexit!)
It's nearly 10pm, where's my beer?
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 24, 2020 17:37:11 GMT -5
I find it quite strange that you Americans and Canadians are making this Cornavirus a political battleground. There is NONE of that over here. There is no "It's all Boris' fault / Labour would have prevented it". At least you aren't arguing about guns and immigrants any more. (And we have stopped talking about Brexit!) It's nearly 10pm, where's my beer? I wouldn’t say we are in Canada actually Malc. The only opposition here was when the Governing Liberals tried to enact a bill that gave some pretty sweeping powers on taxation and spending that the Opposition thought needed a bit more check. Otherwise everyone wants to find a way through.
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 24, 2020 17:38:42 GMT -5
More over reaction bullshit. Co-workers elderly parents tested positive... For the flu. My department was sent home for the week. We really can't do our job remotely because our tools suck and our network is a pile of bullshit. Those parents were tested for the virus, won't get their results until Friday. Boss just called, client's HR wants us to get tested. I told him no. I'm not wasting resources. If the old folks test positive, let their son get tested. If he has it, then I'll get it done. No, I won't. By the time that happens, the 2 week quarantine will be over. Meanwhile, I just spent 4 days at home and damned near lost my mind. As much as I dislike people as a species, info need to be around them. It’s not going to be a 2 week quarantine Jim. Sorry to bear the bad news. 6 months if you’re all lucky. Sorry!
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Post by Ben on Mar 24, 2020 19:17:03 GMT -5
Where I live in Canada 80% of the cases are traced back to recent travel to the US so it is pretty rampant out there and you just don’t realize how bad it really is yet. Can't have it both ways. If it's so rampant here that it's infecting Canada - which means the infection had to have time to be transmitted, take hold, and develop symptoms (most people are being checked *because* they have symptoms) - the original infected people should be at apex effect and clogging up our hospitals right now. I can speak from personal experience that they're not. In fact, the ambulance has been much slower than usual, and I haven't seen a single suspected corona case call 911. Hospitals around here are still preparing, not facing. Either it's not as rampant as it seems, or maybe the strain we have is not as bad as feared. I would prefer the second answer.
It can be rampant but not bad, or bad but not rampant. The only thing it can't be is rampant and bad and yet almost no one is in the hospital.
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Post by graham on Mar 24, 2020 19:54:54 GMT -5
I find it quite strange that you Americans and Canadians are making this Cornavirus a political battleground. There is NONE of that over here. There is no "It's all Boris' fault / Labour would have prevented it". No, but the Right Wing and Brexiteers are putting up pictures of empty shelves next to a photo of Corbyn and saying things like "Looks like Venezuela under Socialism, now you can see what it would have been like if I'd won!" as if he was PM and this wasn't happening under a Capitalist Tory Government with an 80 seat majority!
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Post by Rob on Mar 24, 2020 21:12:21 GMT -5
This is one reason why people are blaming Trump.
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Post by Rob on Mar 24, 2020 22:09:27 GMT -5
A cousin who has cancer reports that his surgery was cancelled.
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Post by mank on Mar 25, 2020 4:39:29 GMT -5
In Pittsburgh they have setup drive up testing locations. I know one of the locations is in the Pittsburgh Zoo parking lot. There is no traffic around Pittsburgh but there was a traffic jam around the roads leading to the zoo. The problem is people are panicking. There were over 612 people that drove up the one day. They tested 308 people. The rest were turned away since they did not meet the CDC criteria to be tested. Ten people out of 308 test positive.
What I wonder is why people need to get tested? If I present symptoms I am staying home and self-quarantine. I don't really need to know that I have Covid-19. We have been told repeatedly to self-quarantine over and over and over. And, everyone in your household has to self-quarantine too.
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Post by Jackie on Mar 25, 2020 6:15:21 GMT -5
What I wonder is why people need to get tested? They're probably the same people who needed 200 rolls of toilet paper last week.
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Post by mank on Mar 25, 2020 7:38:12 GMT -5
I heard Prince Charles tested positive. Stay away from the Queen Charles!
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 25, 2020 8:16:41 GMT -5
In Pittsburgh they have setup drive up testing locations. I know one of the locations is in the Pittsburgh Zoo parking lot. There is no traffic around Pittsburgh but there was a traffic jam around the roads leading to the zoo. The problem is people are panicking. There were over 612 people that drove up the one day. They tested 308 people. The rest were turned away since they did not meet the CDC criteria to be tested. Ten people out of 308 test positive. What I wonder is why people need to get tested? If I present symptoms I am staying home and self-quarantine. I don't really need to know that I have Covid-19. We have been told repeatedly to self-quarantine over and over and over. And, everyone in your household has to self-quarantine too. Because some people test positive with no symptoms and carry on unknowingly spreading it to others who may have a worse reaction to it.
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Post by Jackie on Mar 25, 2020 10:20:58 GMT -5
Because some people test positive with no symptoms and carry on unknowingly spreading it to others who may have a worse reaction to it. Which is why we ALL should be conducting ourselves as if either we had it and don't want to spread it or everyone we come in contact with has it and we don't want to catch it. Everyone doing that would do more good than people lining up to get tested just because they can.
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Post by Jim on Mar 25, 2020 10:46:21 GMT -5
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Post by Rob on Mar 25, 2020 11:30:57 GMT -5
Because some people test positive with no symptoms and carry on unknowingly spreading it to others who may have a worse reaction to it. Which is why we ALL should be conducting ourselves as if either we had it and don't want to spread it or everyone we come in contact with has it and we don't want to catch it. Everyone doing that would do more good than people lining up to get tested just because they can. When those smart people who take the virus very seriously mob the stores to panic buy, they catch and spread the virus. We're over 55,000 cases already. I blame those people.
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 25, 2020 12:27:18 GMT -5
Because some people test positive with no symptoms and carry on unknowingly spreading it to others who may have a worse reaction to it. Which is why we ALL should be conducting ourselves as if either we had it and don't want to spread it or everyone we come in contact with has it and we don't want to catch it. Everyone doing that would do more good than people lining up to get tested just because they can. Though I know there might be a 2nd wave of it in Korea, the Koreans were given a lot of credit for controlling the initial spread by testing vigorously and quarantining anyone who tested positive.
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Post by Rob on Mar 25, 2020 13:06:46 GMT -5
"Look for the helpers." -Fred Rogers
I'm thinking anyone with a 3D printer might want to try stuff like this.
Engineering Team Builds Personal Protective Face Shields
We are pleased to share the impressive efforts of engineering teachers from across the AAPS to support area health care workers who are facing a shortage of critical personal protection gear. An AAPS Robotics team student modified the design, and our teachers are using 16 of the district’s 3-D printers to build personal protective devices using printers to fashion the headbands and overhead projector transparency film cut for the shields. These face shields will be shared as part of Operation Face Shield Ann Arbor. A2 STEAM’s Bill Van Loo describes the process in this video. They will begin delivering finished products tomorrow morning to area hospitals.
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Post by Rob on Mar 25, 2020 14:30:40 GMT -5
I hope everything I need will be in the stores when I need to go shopping. I often use Shipt.com, but they're getting so many orders now that they don't have any delivery times available. Last time I used Shipt, the shopper had a hard time filling my order because so much stuff was bought up.
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Post by martycanuck on Mar 25, 2020 14:46:06 GMT -5
I hope everything I need will be in the stores when I need to go shopping. I often use Shipt.com, but they're getting so many orders now that they don't have any delivery times available. Last time I used Shipt, the shopper had a hard time filling my order because so much stuff was bought up. I hope you can get what you need Rob. Stores around here got stripped too but they are getting more stock in day after day. A local Wal-Mart had a huge supply of TP this morning I saw on a local FB group. I did not run out to get any myself. We have enough here for now.
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Post by Rob on Mar 25, 2020 17:49:52 GMT -5
I'm good. My dad talked to Dave at the Brower Farms. Dave said he has plenty of animals to kill. I'm going to place a big order tomorrow.
My dad was just at Kroger the other day. He said they restocked on bread, water, and eggs, but they had no meat.
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Post by Stan on Mar 25, 2020 17:50:57 GMT -5
I hope everything I need will be in the stores when I need to go shopping. I often use Shipt.com, but they're getting so many orders now that they don't have any delivery times available. Last time I used Shipt, the shopper had a hard time filling my order because so much stuff was bought up. As long as you are flexible, it isn't a problem. A lot foods that are prepared in store aren't there. This is more due to staffing than hoarding. If you have brand preferences, the brand you prefer may be out of stock; but there is generally an alternative. They typically stock overnight and do not restock during the day, so go early. I was out of town getting Annie for 6 days and stopped at 7pm on the way home to grab a few thing (needed milk for coffee, dammit). The shelves were very bare. A day later, first thing in the morning, it was no big deal. They had Italian sausage; but not Polish. Pork was nowhere to be found ... guess we're eating cow and chicken this week. Didn't need toilet paper. No big deal for me, if you are picky or eat a lot of prepared foods, it might be a problem.
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