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Post by martycanuck on Aug 11, 2020 12:46:37 GMT -5
Marty, It is pretty much useless discussing this with you. I NEVER said I am not wearing a mask when around others. Where in the world did you get that? Stop twisting my words around. I specifically said I am following all protocols required by the places I frequent. However, I do NOT wear a mask when I am walking outside in my neighborhood or biking. Would have been from the post in politics I think where you said “most people take their masks off at their desks.” You keep ignoring the point that if you are in a building with a common AC system you are potentially exposing yourself to the virus and obviously a much greater percentage than outdoors. Like you I don’t wear a mask to ride a bike or go for a walk. That part really is over the top unless you were going to walk or bike through a very congested area. Hell yes even I chuckle when I see someone driving in a car alone with a mask on or riding a bike with one on but if that makes them comfortable I’m not going to say anything to them about it either. Though I have pointed out to people mis-using masks in public spaces that if they pull it down to talk or don’t cover their nose they might as well not bother. Not random people on the street though. Just if it someone I need to interact with. Lots of companies come up with lots of great protocols to follow but then don’t do any follow up to make sure their employees are following the protocols. Not saying yours is one of them but I see it here in places.
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Post by mank on Aug 11, 2020 13:08:05 GMT -5
Marty,
Let me say this again, according to the rules of my company if an employee is at a desk in an office where a person can close a door then we don't have to wear a mask. If nobody is at our office, which is common, you don't have to wear a mask. Those are the times we don't wear masks. If any employee gets up to use the facilities or the kitchen we have to have wear a mask. I don't care about the common AC system. I just can't be that paranoid. Nobody is allowed into our building with a temperature over 100.4 degrees. We all have to screen ourselves in an area in the back. We walk in, use hand sanitizer, put on gloves, grab a sterile wipe, wipe down an infrared thermometer, take our temperature, green good to go, red get the hell out of the building. We have a special exit door if we are infected. Additionally, each and everyday we have to fill out a questionnaire with responses to have we been in these states, been out of the country, near someone with covid, etc., etc. there are 10 questions. We sign, date it and place the paper in the inbox of our local Environmental Safety Service manager. Again, I think Raytheon Technologies has put in place numerous protocols that we must follow. If we don't follow them we can be disciplined including termination if we continue to not follow the protocols. My office only has 18 employees. I have been there for over 10 years now and there has never been a time when all 18 of us are in the office. Now, with the pandemic the most people in the office at one time has been 8.
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Post by Rob on Aug 11, 2020 13:13:57 GMT -5
Though I have pointed out to people mis-using masks in public spaces that if they pull it down to talk or don’t cover their nose they might as well not bother. One problem that I have with everyone in public wearing masks is I often can't tell if someone is talking to me or if they're just looking in my direction.
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Post by Juli on Aug 11, 2020 13:26:19 GMT -5
Though I have pointed out to people mis-using masks in public spaces that if they pull it down to talk or don’t cover their nose they might as well not bother. One problem that I have with everyone in public wearing masks is I often can't tell if someone is talking to me or if they're just looking in my direction. Even those of us who have just a little hearing loss are discovering just how much we rely on mouth and face movements to understand what's being said. I've seen some that have a clear insert so you can see the mouth, the only problem is if they fog up.
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Post by martycanuck on Aug 11, 2020 19:04:44 GMT -5
Marty, Let me say this again, according to the rules of my company if an employee is at a desk in an office where a person can close a door then we don't have to wear a mask. If nobody is at our office, which is common, you don't have to wear a mask. Those are the times we don't wear masks. If any employee gets up to use the facilities or the kitchen we have to have wear a mask. I don't care about the common AC system. I just can't be that paranoid. Nobody is allowed into our building with a temperature over 100.4 degrees. We all have to screen ourselves in an area in the back. We walk in, use hand sanitizer, put on gloves, grab a sterile wipe, wipe down an infrared thermometer, take our temperature, green good to go, red get the hell out of the building. We have a special exit door if we are infected. Additionally, each and everyday we have to fill out a questionnaire with responses to have we been in these states, been out of the country, near someone with covid, etc., etc. there are 10 questions. We sign, date it and place the paper in the inbox of our local Environmental Safety Service manager. Again, I think Raytheon Technologies has put in place numerous protocols that we must follow. If we don't follow them we can be disciplined including termination if we continue to not follow the protocols. My office only has 18 employees. I have been there for over 10 years now and there has never been a time when all 18 of us are in the office. Now, with the pandemic the most people in the office at one time has been 8. Mank, let me say I’m not talking about meeting rules that may or may not be adequate. I’m talking about taking the safest route.
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Post by martycanuck on Aug 11, 2020 19:05:22 GMT -5
Though I have pointed out to people mis-using masks in public spaces that if they pull it down to talk or don’t cover their nose they might as well not bother. One problem that I have with everyone in public wearing masks is I often can't tell if someone is talking to me or if they're just looking in my direction. I can understand that.
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Post by Jackie on Aug 12, 2020 20:13:14 GMT -5
One of the guys on our construction crew got sick and tested positive for COVID this past week. So now everyone in that department has to be tested and quarantine for 14 days. Thankfully since management decided in March there would be no on the job contact between departments everyone else in the company is OK. We hope.
This will be the fourth person I know personally who has contracted the virus. Thankfully I haven't been around any of them for months. An elderly lady in my neighborhood was hospitalized and died in June. I know her son but never met her.
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Post by Rob on Aug 16, 2020 11:13:55 GMT -5
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Post by Rob on Aug 31, 2020 14:23:13 GMT -5
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Post by Jim on Aug 31, 2020 14:36:24 GMT -5
You know, the Sturgis Motorcycle rally happened a few weeks back. 200,000 people descended onto that little town with no regards for masks or distancing. In the weeks since, I've seen one article linking a whole 103 cases to the event. I've long believed that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion and those sort of results help cement it. Those are acceptable odds to me. www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-south-dakota-over-100-cases-8-states/
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Post by Rob on Aug 31, 2020 20:54:07 GMT -5
I know, Jim. That's how you see a lot of things.
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Post by Gimpy on Aug 31, 2020 21:06:40 GMT -5
You know, the Sturgis Motorcycle rally happened a few weeks back. 200,000 people descended onto that little town with no regards for masks or distancing. In the weeks since, I've seen one article linking a whole 103 cases to the event. I've long believed that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion and those sort of results help cement it. Those are acceptable odds to me. www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-sturgis-motorcycle-rally-south-dakota-over-100-cases-8-states/How many people will the 103 infect? It's too early to tell.
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Post by mank on Sept 1, 2020 14:06:38 GMT -5
In Pennsylvania a private agreement was reached with the Governor and the Secretary of Health to allow a car show. It created an uproar at other places like Butler County who couldn't have their fair or farm show. When questioned the Secretary of Health said she can't say anything since it is a confidential agreement. Needless to say people were mad. Car Show Goes On
Butler County MadThe thing that is irritating people is that there is a 25% capacity limit on restaurants and it has caused quite a few places to close permanently now. Over 180 business in Allegheny County have closed. When questioned Wolf and the Secretary of Health say they can't divulge how they came up with 25%. I still believe the virus has to run its course. 100 million people in the US will get it and the final death toll will be 480,000 people. I don't think it will be stopped until there is herd immunity and a vaccine.
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 1, 2020 14:22:40 GMT -5
In Pennsylvania a private agreement was reached with the Governor and the Secretary of Health to allow a car show. It created an uproar at other places like Butler County who couldn't have their fair or farm show. When questioned the Secretary of Health said she can't say anything since it is a confidential agreement. Needless to say people were mad. Car Show Goes On
Butler County MadThe thing that is irritating people is that there is a 25% capacity limit on restaurants and it has caused quite a few places to close permanently now. Over 180 business in Allegheny County have closed. When questioned Wolf and the Secretary of Health say they can't divulge how they came up with 25%. I still believe the virus has to run its course. 100 million people in the US will get it and the final death toll will be 480,000 people. I don't think it will be stopped until there is herd immunity and a vaccine. I’m only gonna point out a technicality. If you think 100 million will get it and 480K will die then it’s a long way from having “run it’s course.” But yeah re the car show? Something seems a bit sketchy about that. Though many, many events have been cancelled and yes at some point something is going to get green-lighted eventually so maybe it was just the first one to get an OK.
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Post by Gimpy on Sept 1, 2020 16:01:08 GMT -5
The rolling 10 day positivity rate at the local university is now 25%. That might hasten herd immunity but at what cost.
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Post by Jeannette on Sept 2, 2020 6:36:43 GMT -5
But will herd immunity really work if you can get re-infected like we've seen recently?
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Post by graham on Sept 2, 2020 6:51:53 GMT -5
But will herd immunity really work if you can get re-infected like we've seen recently? It depends on whether the person who is, apparently, re-infected, is also contagious.
Of course there's still the issue of people who may (unknowingly) be contagious, being unselfish and wearing masks to prevent them spreading the virus to others.
If we can reduce the viral spread, then herd immunity won't be necessary, because it will stop further outbreaks.
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Post by mank on Sept 2, 2020 9:16:30 GMT -5
Marty,
I do think the virus is a long way from running its course. And, most of what we do now will do little to stop it mask or no mask. A vaccine is the only answer in my opinion. But, a local TV station here, WPXI, did a poll and 75% of the people said they would NOT get the vaccine. Makes no sense to me.
And on the PA car show it was allowed at the same time other events were told they can't be held. The thing that bothers everybody is the "confidential" agreement the car show had with the state. And when questioned, the response is I can't legally talk about it since it is a confidential agreement. In other words, and admittedly could be incorrectly, who got paid off to allow the show? Restaurants have to be at 25%, no fairs, no farm shows, but hey 100,000 people at a car show, no problem.
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Post by Stan on Sept 2, 2020 11:21:05 GMT -5
A vaccine is the only answer in my opinion. But, a local TV station here, WPXI, did a poll and 75% of the people said they would NOT get the vaccine. Makes no sense to me. Between the anti-vax crowd and the "don't believe anything this administration says" one, that doesn't surprise me. I'll probably look to European trials before I decide to get a vaccination.
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Post by MalcolmR on Sept 2, 2020 11:26:04 GMT -5
According to reports in today's press on this side of the pond, the USA has refused to join in a worldwide coalition to develop the vaccine as soon as possible, and is going it alone. So any trials elsewhere in the world will not be valid for the US vaccine. Sorry, Stan.
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Post by Stan on Sept 2, 2020 11:33:02 GMT -5
We have an election in Nov. Make America Sane Again and all.
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Post by frodi on Sept 2, 2020 15:43:50 GMT -5
According to reports in today's press on this side of the pond, the USA has refused to join in a worldwide coalition to develop the vaccine as soon as possible, and is going it alone. So any trials elsewhere in the world will not be valid for the US vaccine. Sorry, Stan. What's the betting that Trump announces a vaccine just for the US anywhere from 2-3 weeks before November? It will probably be just as effective as the Putin vaccine.
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 2, 2020 17:20:20 GMT -5
Marty, I do think the virus is a long way from running its course. And, most of what we do now will do little to stop it mask or no mask. A vaccine is the only answer in my opinion. But, a local TV station here, WPXI, did a poll and 75% of the people said they would NOT get the vaccine. Makes no sense to me. And on the PA car show it was allowed at the same time other events were told they can't be held. The thing that bothers everybody is the "confidential" agreement the car show had with the state. And when questioned, the response is I can't legally talk about it since it is a confidential agreement. In other words, and admittedly could be incorrectly, who got paid off to allow the show? Restaurants have to be at 25%, no fairs, no farm shows, but hey 100,000 people at a car show, no problem. In review I misread your original post. I thought you said “I think the virus has run its course” but you did in fact write “has to run” which of course changes the sentence quite a lot. My bad. I’m a guy who gets vaccines. But I do want to feel comfortable that it is both safe and effective. I had never heard of someone having a bad reaction to a vaccine before but an old friend from previous work died after 14 months in hospital after a terribly horrible reaction to the Yellow Fever vaccine. His wife is Brazillian and they went there to see her family of course which is why he was getting it. It’s about 1 in a million on that vaccine to react like that. A terrible shame. Andrew was an awesome person. Does seem very strange to allow one event versus another but can’t say publicly why. You’d think if they had an amazing plan to keep it safe they would make a big deal about it.
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Post by martycanuck on Sept 2, 2020 17:20:55 GMT -5
According to reports in today's press on this side of the pond, the USA has refused to join in a worldwide coalition to develop the vaccine as soon as possible, and is going it alone. So any trials elsewhere in the world will not be valid for the US vaccine. Sorry, Stan. What's the betting that Trump announces a vaccine just for the US anywhere from 2-3 weeks before November? It will probably be just as effective as the Putin vaccine. He’ll announce it whether it is actually true or not.
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Post by Rob on Sept 2, 2020 19:14:31 GMT -5
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Post by mank on Sept 3, 2020 7:10:03 GMT -5
A vaccine is the only answer in my opinion. But, a local TV station here, WPXI, did a poll and 75% of the people said they would NOT get the vaccine. Makes no sense to me. Between the anti-vax crowd and the "don't believe anything this administration says" one, that doesn't surprise me. I'll probably look to European trials before I decide to get a vaccination. Stan, That was a local poll in Pittsburgh. I am not sure what the national response would be. Which reminds me I have to go for my flu shot. They are really pushing that everyone gets a flu shot so that there isn't a double whammy with flu and Covid. And, me being cynical, and the media not in Trump's corner, would be reporting all flu deaths as Covid. But, I could be wrong. On a side note... One of my sons is a radiologist at a hospital in Erie Pennsylvania. He has said to me when he gets x-rays, CT scans, MRIs, etc. (all electronic these days by the way) that a Covid lung looks entirely different than anything he has seen. It differs from pneumonia, flu, etc., in the scans and x-rays.
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Post by graham on Sept 3, 2020 7:10:56 GMT -5
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Post by Stan on Sept 3, 2020 11:19:57 GMT -5
That was a local poll in Pittsburgh. I am not sure what the national response would be. Which reminds me I have to go for my flu shot. They are really pushing that everyone gets a flu shot so that there isn't a double whammy with flu and Covid. And, me being cynical, and the media not in Trump's corner, would be reporting all flu deaths as Covid. But, I could be wrong. It's not the press's job to be in Dishonest Don's corner, it's their job to question and investigate everything (on both sides). That said, when a vaccine is released, I'll go looking for third party testing and results. It's unlikely that I'll be an early adopter. I do not trust Trump or his cronies with my health. Hydroxycloroquine ... bleach, his track record on medical advice leaves a bit to be desired.
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Post by Jeannette on Sept 3, 2020 11:38:08 GMT -5
While I want a vaccine as much as anybody, I probably won't get the first one that comes out. I just think they're being pushed to rush it to the public too much.
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