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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 11:14:11 GMT -5
Does the batter have to swing at any pitch thrown? No, they just have to stop the ball from hitting the stumps and knocking the bails off.
Also the bowler doesn't always aim at the stumps, for instance they can bowl a "bouncer" which is a short-pitched delivery that hits half way down the wicket (playing surface) and then rises sharply.
The aim with that delivery is to tempt the batsman to play a "hook" shot, ie whacking the ball over their shoulder to score a boundary (4 runs if it bounces before the boundary line and then crosses it or 6 if it goes over without bouncing), but if they mis-hit it and the ball is caught by a fielder before it hits the ground, they're Out.
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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 11:22:49 GMT -5
In cricket, instead of a "pitcher", you have a "bowler". He's called a bowler, because that's what he's doing. Just like in the sport Bowling, where a bowler rolls the ball to knock down pins. Yes, but the rule is that the ball must be bowled with a *straight* arm, if the arm bends, that's throwing or "chucking" and is an illegal delivery.
A batsman cannot be out from an illegal delivery, even if the ball hits the stumps or he's caught.
Another form of illegal delivery is the "No Ball" where the bowler's foot oversteps the front line of the crease (the position where the batsman stands) from the bowler's end) or a Wide, where the ball travels past the batsman more than a set distance outside the stumps.
Pretty much, if the bowler hits the stumps and knocks off the bails (the short pieces of wood balanced across the top of the stumps), the batsman is Out "Bowled".
To score a Run, *both* batsmen must leave their crease (the line that marks their playing position) and run 22 yards to the other crease. If the fielding side can retrieve the ball and knock the bails off the stumps before the batsman reaches the crease, they're Out "Run Out".
Note that it is also possible for the non-striking batsman to be Run Out if the fielders can knock the bails off the stumps at the end he is running towards, however only one person can be Out at a time, there's no equivalent of a Double Play.
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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 11:27:43 GMT -5
I am not sure if the batter has to hit the ball on every throw and if he doesn't is he out? No, the batter doesn't have to hit the ball (as long as it doesn't hit the stumps!)
However there is a way that a batsman can be Out if the ball hits his pads (leg protectors) and the Umpire adjudges that the ball would have gone on to hit the stumps.
This is Out "Leg Before Wicket".
Each batsman is only out once in each Innings, the fielding side must get ten players Out because then the last one is left without a partner.
Once ten players are out, the teams usually swap roles, so the batting team fields, the fielding team bats (although there are other more complicated rules as to how an innings can end called Declaring, or the Follow On which I can explain if you want!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2024 11:52:07 GMT -5
Looking at the explanations, the strange field, the ability to hit the ball backwards, etc., etc., I want to know was there heavy drinking when this game was invented?
Oh each batter has to have a partner? I, after watching a few games, have seen really high scores in the matches. I assume that is normal?
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 2, 2024 12:13:42 GMT -5
Does the batter have to swing at any pitch thrown? He’s protecting the wickets. I don’t know if he has to swing but if he lets it go and they knock the lintels off the wickets isn’t he “out?” Quite right Marty. He deoesn't have to hit anything he doesn't want to. The 'lintels' are called bails. Sort of: He doesn't have to run if he thinks he won't make it. There are only two 'bases' one at each end and the non-batting batsman has to run to the other end at the same time. You don't have to 'tag' him to get him out, you have to knock the bails off his wickets before he makes his ground. The major difference between cricket and baseball is the ball and the delivery of it. Firstly, only one ball is used. It starts off brand new and hard as a rock then gradually wears down going softer and more pliable. This changes how it behaves. In the long games it is changed for a new one after about 500 deliveries. It should also be noted that the ball doesn't have the figure of 8 stitching that a baseball hass, it is two hemispheres, stiched together with quite a prominent seam along the equator. Some teams might keep one half highly polished whilst allowing th other to get rough. This can affect the airflow over the ball in flight and impart a deviation called swing. Secondly, the bowler is not allowed to throw the ball, it must be delivered with a straight arm. Believe it or not, the fastest bowlers actually deliver a ball as fast as the good baseball pitchers, about 90 mph. But the ball is rarely bowled straight at the batsman (known as a full toss) because most batsman can see it coming and would whack it away. Usually the ball is delivered via a bounce on the pitch, about three quarters of the way to the batsman. This makes the final arrival of the ball at the batsman much less predictable, depending on the state of the ground and the action the bowler puts on the ball. If he spins it out of his hand, it will hit the ground and might spin to one side or the ground might be a bit rough and hard and the ball might rear sharply upwards. As this is happening just 5 yards or so in front of the batsman, he really has no time to react and has to predict what is going to happen. This means that the state of the pitch (the 22 yard grass strip) is vital in any game. If it has been prepared badly by the groundsman it can absolutely ruin a game, or indeed, if it is bad enough, the game might be cancelled. And finally, there are no "designated hitters" everyone on the team has to have a go with the bat, even if they are a specialist bowler. Even if a batsman is injured so badly he cannot run, he can use a 'runner' to run for him, but the injured man has to stand in front of the wickets and try to hit the balls as delivered. And if someone wants to say, "well I saw a game and something different happened" that's because these days there are many different version of the game. The Hundred, T20, One day, three day, five day tests. All have slightly different rules.
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 2, 2024 12:20:35 GMT -5
Looking at the explanations, the strange field, the ability to hit the ball backwards, etc., etc., I want to know was there heavy drinking when this game was invented? No, that's after the end of the game. You have to remember, cricket was invented hundreds of years before baseball. Like most things American, baseball is still young and hasn't fully developed yet. Over the next few centuries it might grow into a proper sport.
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Post by Rob on Jul 2, 2024 13:02:12 GMT -5
With these explanations, next time I see a cricket match on TV, maybe I'll have a better understanding of what's happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2024 14:25:03 GMT -5
Looking at the explanations, the strange field, the ability to hit the ball backwards, etc., etc., I want to know was there heavy drinking when this game was invented? No, that's after the end of the game. You have to remember, cricket was invented hundreds of years before baseball. Like most things American, baseball is still young and hasn't fully developed yet. Over the next few centuries it might grow into a proper sport. Baseball is a great sport. Cricket will never be better than baseball. I have watched a lot of cricket and hitting the ball backwards should be outlawed. It is a foul ball. Scoring around 170 or so runs seems ridiculous. I am convinced there was alcohol involved somehow. I think maybe cricket was invented to score a lot of runs since soccer hardly has any scoring and a game can end in a 0-0 tie. Just so nobody gets bent out of shape I am kidding around and having fun with this...
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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 14:32:27 GMT -5
Oh each batter has to have a partner? Yes, there is the "striker", ie the one who is being bowled at, and the "non-striker", the batsman at the other end.
When the players run, they have to reach the other player's crease to score, so if they only score one run, the non-striker becomes the striker.
One other thing not yet mentioned is the Over, which is a series of six balls. At the end of an Over when six (legal) balls have been bowled, the next six balls will be bowled from the *other* end of the playing area, usually by another bowler. The fielders, of course, change their positions accordingly.
This can mean that, towards the end of a team's innings, when most of the players are out, it's possible to have one expert batsman partnered with one of his team's bowlers (who probably isn't very good with the bat).
It's the job of the expert to keep the "strike" (ie be bowled at) for as long as possible, meaning either they need to run an even number of runs or, when the sixth ball is bowled, try to get a single run so that the expert is the striker again.
Yes, if a player can stay at the crease and keep scoring, they can get a Century (100 runs) or more and teams can have scores of several hundred runs.
This is where Declaring comes in.
If it's a five day match, and Team A has amassed a big score but not all their players are Out, they can Declare their innings closed and get to bowl at the other side.
If they manage to get all the members of Team B Out before Team B has got within (I think) 200 runs of Team A's total, Team A can enforce the Follow On rule where they can make Team B bat again. Team A hoping that they can get all of Team B out again before they overtake Team A's score and thus, Team A will win without needing to bat a second time.
This may all seem complicated, but when you know the game, you can see how it can become very tactical.
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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 14:33:29 GMT -5
was there heavy drinking when this game was invented? No, that's after the end of the game. Or during, for some of the spectators ;-)
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Post by graham on Jul 2, 2024 14:35:47 GMT -5
Baseball is a great sport. No, it's just Rounders played by grown men... ;-)
Played in England since Tudor times, it is referenced in 1744 in the children's book A Little Pretty Pocket-Book where it was called Base-Ball. The name baseball was superseded by the name rounders in England, while other modifications of the game played elsewhere retained the name baseball. The game is popular among British and Irish school children, particularly among girls.[
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Post by Rob on Jul 2, 2024 15:57:31 GMT -5
I think maybe cricket was invented to score a lot of runs since soccer hardly has any scoring and a game can end in a 0-0 tie. They hadn't discovered basketball.
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Post by frodi on Jul 2, 2024 16:01:08 GMT -5
Each bowler gets six bowls (an over). The batter doesn't have to hit them to stay in. But generally he can't score runs (up to the other wicket) without hitting the ball. To get him out the fielding side has to knock the bails off with the ball before the batter makes it to the other end.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2024 7:03:41 GMT -5
I need a drink after reading all of those explanations. I thought I understood some of cricket but now I realize I know less and less.
Go Pittsburgh Pirates! The Bucs are going all the way this year! (probably not)
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Post by graham on Jul 3, 2024 16:59:13 GMT -5
I need a drink after reading all of those explanations. I thought I understood some of cricket but now I realize I know less and less. Well, yeah, after all, it's not like Baseball has weird rules ;-)
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Post by Rob on Jul 3, 2024 20:39:53 GMT -5
Tigers are kicking ass tonight.
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Post by Rob on Jul 4, 2024 10:19:43 GMT -5
Black Beauty, Midnight and Silver want to wish you a Happy 4th of July. Have fun and try not to blow yourselves up. 🍺
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Post by frodi on Jul 4, 2024 16:32:12 GMT -5
Happy Independence Day to all on the other side of the pond. It looks as if it will be your last. On a side note frodi's farmacy is now doing mail order Vaseline. You're going to need it.
In the meantime , enjoy the beer and the burgers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 4:29:45 GMT -5
I need a drink after reading all of those explanations. I thought I understood some of cricket but now I realize I know less and less. Well, yeah, after all, it's not like Baseball has weird rules ;-) Most of those weird things don't happen and I believe some of those rules have been changed. I think an ejected manager has to retire to the clubhouse. I would still venture to say cricket has more rules. Another one I don't understand is the ball rolls on the ground a long distance and goes over some edge and is sort of a home run? I will say cricket is entertaining but the game drags on too long.
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Post by graham on Jul 5, 2024 5:37:48 GMT -5
Another one I don't understand is the ball rolls on the ground a long distance and goes over some edge and is sort of a home run? It's called a Boundary.
If the batsman hits the ball over it without bouncing, they score 6 runs. If the ball touches the ground before going over it, that scores 4 runs.
This is because playing field sizes are limited, but if the stands weren't there, the batters would be able to run up and down the pitch four (or six) times before the ball was retrieved and returned.
If you think about it, a Home Run is exactly the same thing, ie in baseball the batter should be able to run around all four bases.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 6:14:05 GMT -5
At the end of August I will be on an Alaskan cruise. One of my stops is Victoria Canada. Maybe Marty, or anyone for that matter can answer, what is good to see in Victoria Canada?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 5:47:56 GMT -5
At the end of August I will be on an Alaskan cruise. One of my stops is Victoria Canada. Maybe Marty, or anyone for that matter can answer, what is good to see in Victoria Canada? Any ideas anyone?
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 9, 2024 6:43:14 GMT -5
At the end of August I will be on an Alaskan cruise. One of my stops is Victoria Canada. Maybe Marty, or anyone for that matter can answer, what is good to see in Victoria Canada? Any ideas anyone? Perhaps there isn't anything good to see! A bit like cruise liners that dock in Liverpool for the day.
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Post by martycanuck on Jul 9, 2024 10:17:38 GMT -5
At the end of August I will be on an Alaskan cruise. One of my stops is Victoria Canada. Maybe Marty, or anyone for that matter can answer, what is good to see in Victoria Canada? Any ideas anyone? Don’t even recall seeing that post sorry. Last time I was in Victoria BC on Vancouver Island I was about 10. Big fancy old hotel there that serves high tea though name escapes me now. Stanley Gardens is a big attraction too I think. Huge park, lots of flowers and stuff but again it’s been near 50 years. Kind of a long way from me. There has to be more than that. Vancouver Island is a gorgeous place I’m told.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2024 11:34:50 GMT -5
Don’t even recall seeing that post sorry. Last time I was in Victoria BC on Vancouver Island I was about 10. Big fancy old hotel there that serves high tea though name escapes me now. Stanley Gardens is a big attraction too I think. Huge park, lots of flowers and stuff but again it’s been near 50 years. Kind of a long way from me. There has to be more than that. Vancouver Island is a gorgeous place I’m told. Thanks Marty.
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 10, 2024 9:06:51 GMT -5
And for those that are following the cricket, England have just bowled the whole West Indian team out for just 121 runs, in just half a day. That's a very low score, it's a decent score for one batsman, but this is for all 11 of them.
A good start for England.
And, yes, this is one of them there 5 day International Test Matches that we talked about.
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 10, 2024 9:44:51 GMT -5
But they have now stopped - for a cup of tea. England have scored 30 for the loss of just one man.
We'll start again on the hour.
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Post by MalcolmR on Jul 10, 2024 11:13:16 GMT -5
And after another hours play, we have stopped again, this time for "Bad Light". I must admit, this is something I don't really understand. The umpires have decided that it is too dangerous for the bowlers to bowl their fastest balls (around 90+ mph). So they tell the Captain that he must only play the 'spin' bowlers who are slower but get the ball to move more sideways. The Captain has refused so the game is suspended.
The thing that I don't understand, is that these grounds are equipped with floodlights, which have been on and off all day as the Great British weather isn't Great. But these lights are deemed good enough for the shorter versions of the game to be played in total darkness, at night. So how can it be 'bad light' when we have some daylight plus the power of the floodlights?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2024 11:29:34 GMT -5
And after another hours play, we have stopped again, this time for "Bad Light". I must admit, this is something I don't really understand. The umpires have decided that it is too dangerous for the bowlers to bowl their fastest balls (around 90+ mph). So they tell the Captain that he must only play the 'spin' bowlers who are slower but get the ball to move more sideways. The Captain has refused so the game is suspended. The thing that I don't understand, is that these grounds are equipped with floodlights, which have been on and off all day as the Great British weather isn't Great. But these lights are deemed good enough for the shorter versions of the game to be played in total darkness, at night. So how can it be 'bad light' when we have some daylight plus the power of the floodlights? Sounds like another strange cricket rule to me. That would be equivalent to an umpire in Major League Baseball telling the pitcher you cannot throw any fastballs. You are allowed to only throw change ups and off speed pitches.
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